Comments on: [GEEKY] About how the subjectivity of “correct” http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/ Free RSS/ATOM feed reader and aggregator loaded with features and user-friendly interface Thu, 24 May 2012 05:16:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Kevin Yank http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-267 Kevin Yank Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:58:53 +0000 http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/#comment-267 The solution used by FeedDemon to address this is to provide a per-feed "show updated articles as new" option, which uses a stricter algorithm for detecting duplicates in that feed. From memory, the default for this setting, which is off, updates the existing local copy of an article when a new article appears in the feed with the same URL or ID and the old version is not still present in the feed. The solution used by FeedDemon to address this is to provide a per-feed “show updated articles as new” option, which uses a stricter algorithm for detecting duplicates in that feed. From memory, the default for this setting, which is off, updates the existing local copy of an article when a new article appears in the feed with the same URL or ID and the old version is not still present in the feed.

]]> By: Pito Salas http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-266 Pito Salas Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:40:38 +0000 http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/#comment-266 To Markus. regarding the idea of showing 'older' versions of a post too, allowing 'journalistic research': Yeah we had thought about a cute "diff" display showing how the author changed his mind about the tone of his post but decided that we would get flamed for such a feature. (Always a big risk in this part of the web - getting flamed :) To Markus. regarding the idea of showing ‘older’ versions of a post too, allowing ‘journalistic research’:

Yeah we had thought about a cute “diff” display showing how the author changed his mind about the tone of his post but decided that we would get flamed for such a feature. (Always a big risk in this part of the web - getting flamed :)

]]> By: Markus Merz http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Markus Merz Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:34:02 +0000 http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/#comment-265 RFE: Alarm sound for new articles in certain feeds This request also fits to determining duplicates in a way :-) I want an audio alarm to go off when a new article arrives in a feed. This would be very handy (in my case) for smart feeds or what I call temporary feeds which I often add to follow the development of actual news. Yes, I am still using W2K and such an integrated 'ping user for attention' configurable per feed would be nice. Configurable sound file per feed would be the cream on top. RFE: Alarm sound for new articles in certain feeds

This request also fits to determining duplicates in a way :-)
I want an audio alarm to go off when a new article arrives in a feed. This would be very handy (in my case) for smart feeds or what I call temporary feeds which I often add to follow the development of actual news.

Yes, I am still using W2K and such an integrated ‘ping user for attention’ configurable per feed would be nice. Configurable sound file per feed would be the cream on top.

]]> By: Markus Merz http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-264 Markus Merz Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:22:28 +0000 http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/#comment-264 Hi Pito, I thought that's the reason why the word 'unique' (like in URL or URI) was created. As long as the permalink for a post is different then also the word unique is forbidden :-) Regarding i.e. FeedBurner where a redirection URL is used ... I can live with that. The same is true for Flickr photos which get a pool URL after they were added to a photo pool. Del.icio.us entries must be handled different because RSS feeds from bookmark services link to the original content. I see it's getting more complicated the longer I comment on that subject :-) If you have different content for the same URL it would be a great feature to keep older (read 'other') versions in the BlogBridge database. This is very helpful when doing journalistic researches where proof of evidence can become critical. That said, a pinned article should be frozen in the database. A new version must be a new BB database entry. An export of pinned articles would also be something nice to have for personal archive reasons. Hi Pito, I thought that’s the reason why the word ‘unique’ (like in URL or URI) was created.

As long as the permalink for a post is different then also the word unique is forbidden :-)
Regarding i.e. FeedBurner where a redirection URL is used … I can live with that. The same is true for Flickr photos which get a pool URL after they were added to a photo pool. Del.icio.us entries must be handled different because RSS feeds from bookmark services link to the original content. I see it’s getting more complicated the longer I comment on that subject :-)
If you have different content for the same URL it would be a great feature to keep older (read ‘other’) versions in the BlogBridge database. This is very helpful when doing journalistic researches where proof of evidence can become critical.

That said, a pinned article should be frozen in the database. A new version must be a new BB database entry. An export of pinned articles would also be something nice to have for personal archive reasons.

]]> By: BlogBridge User http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-263 BlogBridge User Sat, 19 Aug 2006 07:23:48 +0000 http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/#comment-263 Glad to see things being thought on a feature suggestion I asked for :). I think the linked blog puts up good points to consider for duplicate identification. As you said, the best way to say it is duplicate is if the "user thinks it is so". So let the user think!!. What I mean is is to build an algorithm(actually simple if..then to start with) which takes inputs from the user(I mean make it configurable in Options) how user would like BB to treat Duplicates. In that now put down all the points the linked blog puts down. So some users might say ok if GUIDs match then consider as duplicate else I want to see it. Some one might say GUID First then Title + Description some one might say more. Point is all these various criterias are already precoded by BB team. It is only now the users choice which commands which ones of these Commands he wants to be included. Sounds good? Then going forward you could implement a more Auto-Learning Algo or some algo based on the way how Email clients detect duplicate/spams. Hope I made sense :) Glad to see things being thought on a feature suggestion I asked for :).
I think the linked blog puts up good points to consider for duplicate identification. As you said, the best way to say it is duplicate is if the “user thinks it is so”.

So let the user think!!. What I mean is is to build an algorithm(actually simple if..then to start with) which takes inputs from the user(I mean make it configurable in Options) how user would like BB to treat Duplicates. In that now put down all the points the linked blog puts down. So some users might say ok if GUIDs match then consider as duplicate else I want to see it. Some one might say GUID First then Title + Description some one might say more. Point is all these various criterias are already precoded by BB team. It is only now the users choice which commands which ones of these Commands he wants to be included. Sounds good?

Then going forward you could implement a more Auto-Learning Algo or some algo based on the way how Email clients detect duplicate/spams.

Hope I made sense :)

]]> By: Ben Bennett http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-262 Ben Bennett Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:58:16 +0000 http://www.blogbridge.com/2006/08/18/geeky-about-how-the-subjectivity-of-correct/#comment-262 I dunno. My only real complaint with BlogBridge is how it handles (or doesn't) updates to a feed. Even with an Atom feed with strict IDs BlogBridge sometimes shows me the same thing twice if something (I haven't worked out what) else in the feed changed. Also I would love it if it correctly handled article updates. If the publisher sends something with the same ID but a more recent update timestamp PLEASE show that. (It would be cool if there were a way to optionally show the older versions, but that is less important to me). -ben I dunno. My only real complaint with BlogBridge is how it handles (or doesn’t) updates to a feed. Even with an Atom feed with strict IDs BlogBridge sometimes shows me the same thing twice if something (I haven’t worked out what) else in the feed changed.

Also I would love it if it correctly handled article updates. If the publisher sends something with the same ID but a more recent update timestamp PLEASE show that. (It would be cool if there were a way to optionally show the older versions, but that is less important to me).

-ben

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